Lichess needs to do more about cheating!

@BorisOspasky said in #40:
> @C-Bear evidence that you’ve been called a liar?
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> If you can’t substantiate that claim then you have defamed this free website and the mods who oversee it.
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> The site doesn’t need people like you.

Hi Boris, I would like to comment on this post.

What I stated is true and I have sent everything to the mods and to the admins. I can and have substantiated that I have been called a liar by a mod several times already and if you look at the post made by the mod InkyDarkBird (#12) you see that this has been discussed internally. This happened after I sent them this. What InkyDarkBird confirms in this is that records about reports aren't logged fully.
That means the following: when the mod claimed I haven't done numerous reports about cheaters in a few months but only one that mod knew that his statement wasn't true. That mod went by a figure he had but which he knew was to be highly unreliable. Instead of stating that the number he went by was unreliable he kept calling me a liar for saying I have done quite a significant number more than one. I also have seen other convo's where this mod did the exact same thing to another member.

I understand that mods do a difficult job. But even as simple mortal users we can expect to have a decent conversation about cheating in the forum without unjustly being called a liar by a mod. We can even expect lichess to have a standard for mod behavior. That being said. I don't have a personal vendetta against this mod. I don't name him here and I never requested sanctions. Why I posted it here is because this behavior is indicative of the stance of the admins and mods about discussions on cheating. They have no qualms about lying anybody who claims anything other than it not being a problem.

I understand that my mere mentioning of this behavior raises questions. You may even think I'm lying about this. DarkInkyBird's post should be telling enough that I'm not. And I see that this all can be uncomfortable but that would be lichess mod standards and the behavior of this single mod's responsibility. I'm merely stating what I have encountered on this site regarding cheating.

You can save these walls of text, they don't make you any more credible. The funniest part is saying that "the same mod did this elsewhere to another person", while in fact in your case it was just "A Lichess Moderator", so you don't know who it is to begin with. (also InkyDarkBird is most definitely not a mod. No idea how you come to think he is. His post is not confirming or supporting you much either)

Mods know the report activity of every person (let alone to judge their karma of how accurate the reports are)

I find them pretty quick to respond when there is proof. Most of the time i've encountered cheating is in tournaments so I just avoid them. After seeing this thread yesterday I decided to play a little in a tournament and noticed something unusual at the end. Reported it and when I woke up this morning, the account was banned. So I think it all depends on the level of proof you are able to supply them with.

How do lichess detect cheating with chrome extension software that highlight squares with nextbest moves, or some other human like strong bot moves, where the cheater play on his own until it breaks, wherafter he moves to the highlighted nextbest/bot squares in order to save the game ? Have seen many youtube clip where kids brag of their methods and chrome extensions to take chess to «the next level». Long time ago my own kid cheated his way up to around 2450 or so, without beeing caught. I of course told him not to do it when I saw it. He stopped doing it after a while. But he sometimes after that cheated once here and there. But he did never get detected. That was many, many years ago, when he was a child. Now he is an adult and when he play it is of course totally clean.
But those incidents just made me believe that cheat detection does not detect many of those that cheats in chess.
It’s in my opinion a very big problem at amateur online levels.

I am glad I am not a cheater, they always get a bum rap.

Dude, all cheaters should take a few shrooms bro, then everything will be OK again ...

@Trygve-Birger said in #45:
> How do lichess detect cheating with chrome extension software that highlight squares with nextbest moves, or some other human like strong bot moves, where the cheater play on his own until it breaks, wherafter he moves to the highlighted nextbest/bot squares in order to save the game ? Have seen many youtube clip where kids brag of their methods and chrome extensions to take chess to «the next level». Long time ago my own kid cheated his way up to around 2450 or so, without beeing caught. I of course told him not to do it when I saw it. He stopped doing it after a while. But he sometimes after that cheated once here and there. But he did never get detected. That was many, many years ago, when he was a child. Now he is an adult and when he play it is of course totally clean.
> But those incidents just made me believe that cheat detection does not detect many of those that cheats in chess.
> It’s in my opinion a very big problem at amateur online levels.

The modern theory of cheating detection is very new and he would be caught and stopped very quickly nowadays.

Many credit the pioneering work to International Master and computer science professor Ken Regan who began the development of his anti-cheating theory as recently as 2006. The field will have moved on further since his work.

The theory of how it's done can't be explained in simple terms that we can all understand. It would require delving into highly detailed theory to digest it all. A lot is kept secret as well.

@spectrox75 said in #15:
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Only wanna say that was a hell of a advice spectrox =)

@Mulder90 said in #4:
> if you are <1500 it's really really easy to get frustrated. You can clearly see people changing tabs (the green dot becomes grey, then green, then they move) when they are losing and then started playing perfectly. I guess since you are >2000 in rapid you experience that much much less.

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Confirming this experience.
They blunder, pause (sometimes green online dot flickering) and then they deliver near perfect insane comeback.

I guess, the lichess cheat detection does not fire up when the game statistics is showing a blunder and only a part of the game was cheated.