Why Fischer Random sucks and

13 and 14 September:
"The Saint Louis Chess Club will bring ten of the top chess players in the world, including legendary world champion Garry Kasparov, to play in the Champions Showdown this September. The matches will be played in Chess 960 style, also known as Fischer Random, with $250,000 in prizes."
en.chessbase.com/post/champions-showdown-chess960-2018-live
www.uschesschamps.com/2018-champions-showdown/2018-champions-showdown-chess-960

FM boorchess said:
> Do we really want to follow the suggestion of Fischer
> who obviously suffered from mental illness and turned
> his back on chess ?

Do we really want chess variants to be jugded by someone who obviously never made it to professional level in chess? You never in your life played chess as well as Fischer when he "turned his back on it" or you wouldn't be just an FM.

> Mark my words patzers.

Now, i suggest to learn correct punctuation prior to trying to insult others. You may find the missing comma between "words" and "patzers" negligible but i think the difference between i.e.

Lets eat, grandma!

and

Let's eat grandma!

considerable enough to even concern an english-as-a-second-language-person like me. A little less attitude and a little more education (not to speak of manners) would probably help you a lot.

Until then you might understand that Fischer chess and Bronstein chess (as well as "classical" chess) are not mutually exclusive and the implied "either-or" in your postings simply is a fabrication. One can play any of these three, all of them or none at all.

Mark my words, bub!

krasnaya

It is an either or situation. We can observe from history that the mainstream game has one set of rules; a set of rules that was hammered out over the course of a hundred years of practice (that is post development of castling and queen moves in the 1500's).

Now in the digital age, a logical improvement like Pre-Chess could become mainstream in perhaps a year or less!

But hey, let's just spend our energy defending Fischer and analyzing the placement of a comma. @krasnaya Consider why no 2200+ players have chimed in on this "debate".

I am not sure how my relative skill compared to Fischer disqualifies me to to promote Bronstein pre-chess. I am pretty confident I have bested exponentially more titled players than yourself though, not that that means anything in this conversation. I can say that this variant is fun and expands the number of starting positions without completely breaking the harmony of the game or worse changing the basic movements of the pieces (capa/seirwan chess).

I am considering offering Thibalt USD bribe money to implement Pre-Chess on lichess.org. If anyone wants to pitch in please pm me.

I actually do not care. I think it is a nice game mode, but I think Chess 960 is also a good game mode. The only thing I don't agree with you is you saying the Chess 960 sucks. It obviously doesn't suck, or no one would play it. However you can like your mode better, and I don't mind it being an official thing, I might play it.

I think you argument would have more support if it was to add your game mode, and not that the other game mode was worse.

I want to also go on the record and say that the games and triupmph of Robert J. Fischer have been one of the biggest inspirations of my life! I have drawn great joy from the study of all the World Champions, such as William Steinitz who claimed to play chess with God on the telephone or Alexander Alekhine who sided with the Nazi during ww2.

Fischer had a lot of crazy ideas after his retirement (and before it). Fischerrandom being one of the worst. It is my sincere fear that this game could ever become mainstream (doubtful) and a pity that it is receiving sponsorship money from the deep pockets in St. Louis. It is also tragic that most people do not know the history from which the variant comes .

David Bronstein was a highly creative thinker and tied for the world championship. His idea is that players could absolve opening theory but yet still keep the integrity of the game in terms of opening planning. Take a moment and just consider how great it would be to have "your" set up (also known as a tabiya) and your opponent has his formation. In time theory would develop but on a much much larger scale than the current fixed classical game.

Well I have spent enough time on here in the peanut gallery. I apologize if some of you were offended by my harsh tone. I am sure many more got a chuckle out of it and hopefully food for thought about the direction of chess evolution.

FM boorchess said:
> @krasnaya Consider why no 2200+ players have chimed in
> on this "debate".

From the absence of certain players follows nothing. You keep reasoning in non-sequiturs. Consider why no transgender Inuit holding a yellow umbrella was singing "Amazing Grace" when i last crossed the road - will that be indicative of anything?

> I am not sure how my relative skill compared to Fischer
> disqualifies me to to promote Bronstein pre-chess. I am
> pretty confident I have bested exponentially more titled
> players than yourself though, not that that means anything
> in this conversation.

It disqualifies you not at all, but you are obviously unable to grasp a "reductio ad absurdum"-type argument even when it kicks you: my "argument" didn't gain any credibility by pointing out your not very impressive chess skills the same way your "argument" (which i quoted) gained because of Fischers insanity (setting aside the fact that he invented Fischerrandom before he was tuppence off the shilling). I was just showing you by example how this type of non-sequitur works.

Furthermore you might want to get your historic facts straight:

> William Steinitz who claimed to play chess with God on the
> telephone

No, he didn't. He did claim to be able to play god with pawn and a move odds, though and he also claimed to be able to make telephone calls without using a telephone. I suppose this is crazy enough without it being misrepresented by you.

> Alexander Alekhine who sided with the Nazi during ww2

So did Klaus Junge and, to some extent, Efim Bogoljubow. So did the philosopher Heidegger, who usurped the chair of his predecessor Karl Jaspers and a lot of others. This only shows their opportunism or, to put it in the words Tom Lehrer once sang about Wernher von Braun: (a man whose) allegiance is ruled by expedience. It says nothing about the relative superiority or inferiority of Fischerrandom versus what you call "Pre-chess".

So, all of this begs the question: what is this smear-campaign good for when it doesn't even bolster your alleged goal of promoting your preferred chess variant? I personally don't like Fischer at all and detest the way he treated Spassky and the Soviet delegation 1972, but i think he deserves better than your comments about him and his mental illness.

krasnaya

Smear campagin ?

For such a high level logician and grammarian I would think you could find a more exact term.

I am also willing to bet you get much more out of semantics sparring than you do playing chess 960 (because it sucks after all).

Cheers!

I'v added this variant to lichess issue tracker:
github.com/ornicar/lila/issues/441

Chess960 does not avoid opening theory because players do their best to reach familiar positions from random opening.
So, after a few moves there is no difference between standard chess and chess960, at least for very strong players.